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 | jpelzel
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2001-07-17 30190
Was wondering if any tractor gurus could help me out ... will be mainly mowing approx 4 acres of flat land, 2 acres will be "lawn" the balance mainly thicker "thatch" .. I'm down to a 21D or a 4100, specs appear pretty close ..21 vs 20hp, 16 vs 17pto, but the thing I noticed was the total pump flow is 7.4gpm on the 4100 vs 6.75on the 21D but the Boomer has a lift capacity of 1265 vs 930 on the Deere ... since I'm thinking I'll get a belly mower, post hole digger, and a blade at first to do some landscaping , then throw a FEL on later ... is there something I'm missing here? Any comments on either of these two tractors would be greatly appreciated !!
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| Rob Wheeler
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2001-07-17 30191
My advice would be to not get too wrapped up in the spec. differences. I crunched through the specs. when looking too, but both machines you mention are very close in capability, along with the Kubota B7500 and B2410. At this point you should drive each one and also check out what sort of deal you can get. I looked at the same machines as you are and one of them was my front-runner (on paper), drove them all, talked with the dealers, and ended up buying a B2410 (it has been great). Hit the dealers and put the rigs through their paces - you'll learn a lot that is not on the spec. sheets. ....
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| TomG
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2001-07-18 30197
Seems like most people eventually want a loader. They are pretty expensive add-ons. You might get a deal on one as part of a package price from a dealer. It's probably a good idea to check loader prices as part of a package and as an add-on before committing to a purchase deal. If you don't get a loader immediately, a dealer still might give a good deal on the hydraulic kit. Quite a few people find that they eventually want a rear hydraulic circuit, and it's probably cheaper may be cheaper to get a three or four valve setup as part of a package. I think dealers are somewhat limited in how much they can 'deal' on the price of new tractors. A dealer who really wants a sale often can make the price more attractive by pricing add-ons in a package or going to after-market equipment. Anyway, doing a purchase in pieces may end up quite a bit more expensive than a package. ....
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| Craig Dashner
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2001-07-18 30202
I have a 4100, I have the loader, and a 5' 3pt finishing mower. Plenty of power, does not even bog at all mowing thick grass up a fairly steep hill. The catalogs don't agree, but I would think you could use a 6' mower with no problems. As far as the loader, I would suggest getting it now, if you do not, at least get the DSCV, dual selective control valves(green term for loader controls). If you buy the loader later, all you have to do is bolt the mount points on and attach the hydraulic lines.
I bought a rear finishing mower, and am now wishing I would have got a belly mower, it's tough trying to find the money (and get permission from wife). If I would have rolled it in with the tractor loan, it would have been easier. This is more so important for a loader, more $$$. I don't think you will go wrong with any of the tractors blue, green or orange. Everyone has thier favorite brand, but they are all good. Climb around them, drive them, look under the hood, borrow them for a day(if they'll let you) hook it up to implements. Pay attention to where controls are and the ones you will use the most (loader controls, shift levers). I liked where the loader control was on the 4100. Very handy and easy to operate. Look at pedal locations. I have a gear model, but I remember when researching that some brand with Hydro, had the brake pedals on the same side as the hydro pedals which means you can't use brakes for steering. How easy is it to get on and off? Is the platform big enough? The 4100 with loader control is tricky entering and exiting from the right side, not that big of deal to me, but may bother someone.
I was amazed at how easy the 4100 gear was to drive. For being small, and having limited HP, it amazes me what this little tractor has done. I have had only minor problems and am approaching 3 years with it. My only complaint is the price of implements (my christmas list exceeds my wallet). You can't go wrong with any of them. Take your time and pick the one you like the most. ....
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| Terry Senay
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2001-07-18 30208
I also have a 4100. I looked at Kubota, Boomers, and found out that they were fairly close in the specs and prices (list). You have to check out the dealer and see what they can do for you (pricing and service). As far as buying the FEL or not, I found that the difference in payments was $40.00 a month to include the FEL. If you do not get the FEL, make sure that you at least puchase the DSCV. It is cheaper than having it installed later on. Keep in mind that you will probably have to take your tractor back to the dealer to get the FEL installed. Sooo, with that in mind, possible drayage back and forth to the dealer, install changes, etc. These are questions to ask prior to purchase. As far as the mower, I also went with the 54" belly mower. I do not have many straight and long mowing areas and it sure does make mowing easer. I couldn't justify the money for the additional 6" of mowing for a 60" belly mower. Also, you didn't mention what kind of tires you were thinking about. I have the R4 industrials and they sure do help in certain situations. If you primarily going to do mowing, then consider the turf tires.
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| jimgerken
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2001-11-17 33252
One more question. In comparing the 4100 to the 21D, I am discovering a major difference in the hydraulics. If i am not mistaken, the 21D can have a loader which has the hydraulic controls mounted on the loader frame. Other than that, there doesn't seem to be any place for other hydraulic controls to mount on the 21D. On the bigger Boomers, there are slots on the fender, and stackable dealer-installed valves under the seat (3 max I think), but non of this on the 21D. So, either I am missing something or there is really no provision for hydraulics except for the three point and the loader if you have one. I am talking about other hydraulic uses such as implements you are pulling, snowblower chute movement, etc. Can anybody clarify this for me? Thanks. ....
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| Don M
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2001-11-17 33253
There have been some real good replies in this thread. To the original poster, I will repeat a couple of the points for emphasis. :-)
Do not get bogged down on "specs". You are probably an analytical person, as I tend to be too. As people have mentioned, rather than specs, check out how the tractor fits you, how the controls fall to hand and foot, how easy it is to attach/detach the loader, etc. These day to day things will be with you always, long after specs and price for that matter are forgotten. For instance, I sat on a 21D with FEL at the dealer. I did not like where the loader control stick is located. My JD 755 has it right next to the seat, which I prefer. You may feel the opposite, but check out those things, not specs.
-Don M
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| TomG
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2001-11-19 33275
That sounds like a good question for a salesperson. I'd be very surprised if a kit wasn't available form Kubota or an after-market supplier. Certainly something could be fabricated. People do buy compacts for uses where a loader would be undesirable. It would seem to be unusual product design to tie a basic capacity of the machine, such as an auxiliary hydraulic system, to whether an option was purchased. I imagine the question is not all that uncommon, and a salesperson should be able to come up with a solution. That's how they earn their commissions and knowledgeable ones more than earn what they get.
My Ford 1710 was made before loaders on compacts became almost universal. A 3-valve SCV is mounted on a flat plate on top of an L-shaped piece pipe. The valves sit just below shoulder-height or the right of the steering wheel, which I find is convenient. I've never thought about where the 'L' attaches to the tractor, but I could look. I think there are probably various bolts etc. on most tractors that could accommodate a mounting bracket.
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